[Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC

Wed Jan 20 23:16:18 EST 2010

I found more. After playing with the defaults, I found that the coco3 item 
in the list also has properties. They are the same as the defaults, except 
there are 2 extra tabs, Audit and Software.

In this dialog box, I set the following:

Display tab:
tic run in a window
Miscellaneous tab:
tic Use New UI
Controllers tab:
tic Enable mouse input

I now have MESS running in a window, with a menu bar and the mouse 
available.

I don't know why I didn't figure all this out in 132b. Now to see if the 
warm running issue is resolved. The emulator is running in the background as 
I type. Scrolling thru the message doesn't have the hesitations like before. 
I think the problem may be solved for me. All to do now is wait and see if 
my laptop starts getting warm.

Wayne

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Devries" <devries.bob at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC

> Actually, Aaron, I *am* using the latest version.
>
> I found that if I select "Use New UI" from the properties of the emulation 
> I want to use, it works. Now I just need to create a boot disk that suits 
> me
>
> Still, VCC works well for me also, except for the hi-res mouse. If I use 
> the standard joystick input it's fine.
>
> Regards, Bob Devries
>
> --
> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's 
> native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
>
> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Aaron Wolfe" <aawolfe at gmail.com>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>
>
> I'm just guessing here, but since you are getting behavior that does
> not follow the rest of us, your installation may not be correct for
> whatever reason.  I'd recommend downloading a recent version and see
> if it works better.
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Bob Devries <devries.bob at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> And when I do run just mess.exe, I get the same results.
>> --
>> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of 
>> one's
>> native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
>>
>> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Campbell" <asa.rand at gmail.com>
>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>
>>
>>> I tried mess.exe. The new version runs, but v132 would not. Are you
>>> running mess.exe or messui.exe?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Devries" <devries.bob at gmail.com>
>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>>
>>>
>>>> All I get is the actual coco screen. No menu bar, no pull-downs. I get
>>>> the usual blue (on my laptop) window surround from Windows. This means 
>>>> I
>>>> can't select devices etc. while running the emulation.
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Bob Devries
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of
>>>> one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
>>>>
>>>> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Campbell" 
>>>> <asa.rand at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:21 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what is happening there, Bob. I installed 136. I'm not 
>>>>> sure
>>>>> which menus you are describing. The menubar and toolbar are both 
>>>>> displayed
>>>>> in the emulator window. The menu lists while running the emulator are 
>>>>> there.
>>>>> Checking Use newui doesn't seem to do anything on my laptop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Devries" 
>>>>> <devries.bob at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:02 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And... even with "use new UI" ticked, still no menus. :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of
>>>>>> one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent 
>>>>>> programmer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wolfe" <aawolfe at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:38 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wait.. did you want the menus? check the box if so. the menus are
>>>>>> the "New GUI".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Bob Devries <devries.bob at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Use New GUI" is NOT ticked. :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of
>>>>>>> one's
>>>>>>> native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wolfe" <aawolfe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:04 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Look in Miscellaneous, "Use New UI". The new UI is what provides the
>>>>>>> menus, probably not checked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Bob Devries <devries.bob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Aaron,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I start a MESS emulation (Coco3 NTSC), it starts up the Coco 
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> window.
>>>>>>>> I lose the mouse pointer, but ALT-TAB does bring that back, albeit
>>>>>>>> leaving
>>>>>>>> an @ character on the coco screen :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In Default Game Properties, Controllers Tab, the option 'Enable 
>>>>>>>> mouse
>>>>>>>> input'
>>>>>>>> is unticked.
>>>>>>>> In 'controller mapping' the mouse device points to the Mouse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As per Robert Gault's suggestion, Sleep when possible and
>>>>>>>> Multi-threaded
>>>>>>>> rendering are ticked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I get no menu bar in version 0.136B, but I do in Version 0.110. Is
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> correct? Did they remove the menus in this version?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards, Bob Devries
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery 
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> one's
>>>>>>>> native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wolfe" 
>>>>>>>> <aawolfe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" 
>>>>>>>> <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:49 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Besides not being able to use mouse or exit, does the emulator 
>>>>>>>>> run,
>>>>>>>>> i.e. do you see a Coco?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This sort of happens in a default configuration I think..Try 
>>>>>>>>> ALT-Tab
>>>>>>>>> to switch away. The mouse problem can normally be solved by 
>>>>>>>>> telling
>>>>>>>>> MESS not to use the mouse: if you're using MESSUI then go into
>>>>>>>>> properties for the system and under Controllers, uncheck "Enable
>>>>>>>>> mouse
>>>>>>>>> input". Also check that mouse is not selected for any of the 
>>>>>>>>> inputs
>>>>>>>>> on the Controller Mapping page (other than Mouse device).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Video problems can be worked out usually on the Display page. "Run
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> a window" and unchecking "Start out maximized" might make a
>>>>>>>>> difference. The various Videomode settings also might give better
>>>>>>>>> results (or worse).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One of the best things about MESS is the huge number of options
>>>>>>>>> available, but this can also be a problem when you aren't familiar
>>>>>>>>> with what they do. I'd bet you can solve some or all of the issues
>>>>>>>>> you have by tweaking things.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good luck, let us know how it goes and maybe we can figure out any
>>>>>>>>> remaining issues.
>>>>>>>>> -Aaron
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Bob Devries 
>>>>>>>>> <devries.bob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually, it was me who can't run MESS on his laptop.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I checked the settings you mentioned, Robert, but there's no
>>>>>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I start the emulation, I lose my mouse pointer altogether, 
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> MESS
>>>>>>>>>> does not respond to *any* Function-keys at all. The only way to
>>>>>>>>>> quit the
>>>>>>>>>> emulations is the three finger slaute (CTRL-ALT-DEL).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This laptop is an Acer Aspire 5315. It has an Intel Celeron 550
>>>>>>>>>> processor
>>>>>>>>>> @
>>>>>>>>>> 2GHz and 1GB memory, running WinXP SP2.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> one's
>>>>>>>>>> native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Gault"
>>>>>>>>>> <robert.gault at worldnet.att.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts"
>>>>>>>>>> <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been using MESS on my laptop because I can't get VCC to
>>>>>>>>>>>> run on
>>>>>>>>>>>> it. The biggest problem I see with MESS is lack of information 
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> configure it for a given system, when you know nothing about 
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be set, or how.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It makes my laptop run warm, and there is visible hesitation in
>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>> apps, no matter what they are. I have looked through the
>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and if you are experienced enough in all of the areas concerned
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> understand it, you can configure it. Otherwise, you cannot. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> nice if someone could come up with a configuration tutorial 
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> walked
>>>>>>>>>>>> the novice through the process.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Have you gone through the on screen Help available with MESS?
>>>>>>>>>>> There are
>>>>>>>>>>> specific instructions that ought to help with your laptop. Look 
>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> try:
>>>>>>>>>>> sleep when possible, multi-thread rendering, thread priority.
>>>>>>>>>>> These are all adjustable and should reduce the amount of CPU 
>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>> allocated to MESS.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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