[Coco] [Color Computer] Java for the m6809

[John W. Linville]

On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 03:55:58AM -0000, James Diffendaffer wrote:
> --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "John W. Linville"
> <linville at ...> wrote:

> > I can't find my post in the archives where I said "use this to port
> > existing Java code to the 6809".  Neither can I find the one where I
> > said "this is the future of CoCo programming -- start using it today!"
> > Could you point them out for me?
> 
> Um... post #4152 eluded to it's use for the CoCo.  Sorry if I
> misunderstood you.  Perhaps you were thinking of another CoCo?

This mis-quote is so disingenuous as to be flatly dishonest.
The relevant passage:

	Might you be able to write something new? Using a modern language and
	development tools? To ultimately run something on your coco or similar
	hardware? I don't see why not, other than laziness or disinterest...

What part of "write something new" equates to "port existing Java
code"?  How does "ultimately" equate to "start using it today"?
If how you read what I write is so skewed, there is no wonder you
are so upset.

> > FWIW, I think you are overstating what it would take to make it
> > produce a binary to run on the CoCo or a similar device.  You would
> > still lack the various "standard" APIs, of course.
> 
> What you think is irrelevant.  What is fact is relevant.  The API
> provided just has a print routine for a specific LCD display and the
> I/O was also for a specific device.  To minimum to get that stuff to
> work would at least require changing the API to make ROM calls.  
> You couldn't run any existing Java program but you could at lest print
> "hello world".

And this is some great hardship?  Compared to how easy you claim the
bytecode translation to be, making ROM calls for I/O is trivial.

> > "Writing Java Program Proves Frustrating -- Film at 11:00"
> 
> Writing all but the most simple Java would cause the program to fail
> since it doesn't even support all of Java's built in primitive types.
> If you don't use ones that aren't supported and write APIs for what
> you want to interface with it *should* be able to spit out an assembly
> file.

Ah, we are getting somewhere...this is all I ever implied.

> > Oh gosh!  You know, you're right...I should have my 1st Amendment
> > freedoms revoked for abusing them with such a vile, mean, and angry
> > post.  It was quite irresponsible for me to suggest that you missed
> > the point.  Shocking!  At least you handled it well...
> 
> And I expressed my opinion but of coarse it was "irrelevant" and
> "uninformed" because it didn't match yours.  

It was "irrelevant" because it devalued a project for not being able
to do something which it never claimed to do anyway.  My dog doesn't
speak Latin, but he is still pretty smart...

As for "uninformed", that was your accusation against me.

> > As for what you missed...you missed that it was just a link to
> > a cool project that some might find interesting -- nothing more.
> > And you missed the point that crapping all over that guy's project
> > because it isn't useful to you just discourages everyone else from
> > talking about their own projects.
> 
> How dare I say a project isn't very useful because it might disturb
> someone that is so sensitive.  I guess I should be more politically
> correct.

You erupted into this because I suggested that you missed the
point...perhaps you shouldn't be too quick to call someone else
"so sensitive".

> > Is that the best you've got?  I suppose all your attempts to paint
> > me as some sort of idiot weren't insults?  No?
> 
> You haven't address ANY technical detail at all but try to paint me as
> a hater, uninformed, mean and nasty so I must be wrong.

Your own words portray you as a mean, nasty hater.

> > Ah yes, easy as pie.  I mean, we all have cool projects like this
> > just sitting around right?
> 
> Heavens no... nobody here has any cool projects sitting around.
> <groan>

If you've got something that is beyond "pipe dream" stage, then I'm
sure we would all love to hear about it.  And if you post a link to
it, I'm sure you'll be none too happy to hear someone dismiss it out
of hand simply because it is impractical or incomplete.

> >  We don't just go around bothering the
> > group with them!  We are all just busy professionals here, trying
> > to get through the day so we can get back to our family, friends,
> > and hobbies.  I'm sorry I bothered you with that silly URL.  You can
> > go back to your work now.
> 
> Want some cheese with your whine?

That should win an award for Most Inappropriate Use of a Cliche...

> Why do I feel like I'm having a political discussion with a liberal?

I have no idea, since I don't recall a discussion of politics.
Paranoia perhaps?  Besides, if I were a liberal I would have called
you a rich white Nazi by now. :-)

John
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John W. Linville
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