[Coco] [Color Computer] Re: OFF TOPIC! by golly..(spam)

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 23 February 2006 12:15, George Ramsower wrote:
>Gene,
>
> I've pretty much eliminated spam to my computer by making sure that
> all my email addresses are secure.
> I do this mostly by creating a new email addy for special events,
> such as the coco list. Hence the addy I use for this list.
> When some yahoo joins the group to steal that addy, it's a very
> isolated event. If this continues, I'll just unsubscribe, create a
> new email and subscribe again with that one... until it happens
> again.
> Another example is if I go to a website(as in dipwad.com) and have to
> sign up for something, I use an email addy such as
> dipwad at mywebsite.com and if they spam it, then I know who did it. I
> then reconfigure that addy to forward all the email back to them,
> usually webmaster at dipwad.com. The spams usually stop right away.
> This is more fun than "Spam Assassin" or any other method, takes less
> time and my inbox is clean.

There's a 'yesbut' to that George.  Mailing agents are smart enough to 
stop a round robin loop most of the time, and while you might feel good 
doing it, the chances that you'll actually forward it to the right 
person are someplace between point double ought zip and none because 
the return addresses are from some zombie machine who has no idea his 
box has been rooted & converted into a zombie relay, for exactly that 
purpose.  I've tried that on a couple of the more blatant abusers, like 
uol.com.br but they have it rigged to bounce the mail if you aren't a 
customer, so I get it back in 2 minutes or less.

Generally speaking its nothing more than a waste of bandwidth, something 
these guys could care less about only if they were dead.  The real 
secret to reducing it somewhat is to make it expensive for the spamemr 
in terms of time.  I know of more than one mail server that imposes a 
30 second delay in the connect, and only if they try again after that 
30 seconds has expired will the message be accepted for delivery.  That 
will cut it 90% right there cause they won't stick around and waste the 
time.  Thats real easy to do in qmail, no idea how hard it is for other 
server software though.

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gene Heskett" <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
>To: <ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:47 AM
>Subject: Re: [Color Computer] [coco] OFF TOPIC! by golly..
>
>> On Thursday 23 February 2006 03:44, George's Coco Address wrote:
>>>I'm being ripped off by an internet SEO company.... I think.
>>>
>>>If anyone here can offer some help with discovery, please contact me
>>> off list.
>>>
>>>If you are good, use....
>>>
>>>georgera
>>>
>>>and
>>> at gvtc
>>>
>>>dot com
>>>
>>>I need help and I don't know how to deal with this EXPENSIVE 
>>> outfit. .
>>>George
>>>
>>>BTW... I've been spammed to my Coco Email address twice today.
>>> Bummer. I suppose I'll have to un-subscribe and re-subscribe again
>>> with a new one.
>>>
>>> Darn those spammers!
>>
>> There is a collection of perl and python stuff called Spamassassin
>> that you may be able to make work on that redmond based (spit,
>> leaves a bad taste in my mouth to even come that close to sayng it)
>> box of yours George.  I use it here on this linux box, and it
>> catches and sorts to the JunqueMail folder, about 200 a day, with a
>> very low false positive ratio, maybe one a day.  Its trainable so it
>> will not recognize that same FP agan if you feed it spam (or ham) it
>> missed and it will recognize it next time.  Bayes based for the most
>> part although I also use rules_du_jour to keep the database up to
>> date.
>>
>> It only takes me about 10 minutes a day for disposing of its output.
>> The rest of the time, with anyplace from 500-2000 messages a day, is
>> relatively painless.  But I am on too many lists too.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers, Gene
>> People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the
>> word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's
>> stupid bounce rules.  I do use spamassassin too. :-)
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Cheers, Gene
People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word
'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's
stupid bounce rules.  I do use spamassassin too. :-)
Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above
message by Gene Heskett are:
Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.