[Coco] RE: [Color Computer] end of discussion!

[Glen VanDenBiggelaar]

Amen to that Mike, I agree 10000%
BTW The first 15 Minutes of the movie Anti-trust (which I have almost 
memorised) kind of sums everything up exactly. Tim Robin's Caracter in the 
first 15 minutes was Briliant in his views on open source and Big software 
corperations. But thats just my opinion.
-Glen
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>Hey Jan,
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>Sorry, I really have to disagree with you. I hate to "defend" those
>people, surely they don't need me to do it, they have teams of lawyers
>who make more in a day than I do in a year to do that.!
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> > So, 95% of the microcomputers sold in the world, running a MS OS, isn't 
>a
> > monopoly ? How high do you want it to go before it is ?
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>100%. What market are you talking about? "Desktop OS that runs on an IBM
>compatible platform"? Desktop computers in general? The entire IT
>industry? I don't see they are a monopoly in any of those areas. They
>don't sell hardware. They have no control over what you do with it.
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> > Oh come on. People on tis list are computer savvy. How many ordinary 
>user
> > would/could do that ? Nowadays, you pay more if you build yourself, than 
>if
> > you buy e.g. Dell.
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>You can go to any well-stocked computer store and buy a Mac.
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>And Dell is far more "monopolistic" than M$ from any way you look at it,
>and yet they're perhaps the #1 market share today. Are they a monopoly
>too? On the 'evil scale' I'd put dell a LOT higher.
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> > No, you also have to look at market share. And MS has it.
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>Again, what market? In the IT industry as a whole, there are dozens of
>hardware platforms and operating systems. Many of those run on the same
>hardware that Windoze runs on. By definition, they're not a monopoly.
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>And I hate to say it, but one of the overriding factors that saved
>Microsoft from its antitrust suit was the fact that Linux existed.
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> > They are pointing the gun at your suppliers. See my other messages. Read 
>the
> > web. Plenty of examples.
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>Not really. You make valid points, but at the same time, you must
>understand what and how Microsoft did to get the way they are. I don't
>think any company would be unhappy to be in the position they are in.
>But, they got that way because of us, the consumer. As the consumers, we
>decided that we wanted to run the same programs that the guy down the
>street was running. We decided that compatibility and ubiquity was the
>overriding factor in making decisions as to what we wanted to buy. It
>was very convenient to go to the software store to have the choice to
>buy from the thousands of programs they sold there without having to
>deal with the "Oh I have a TRS-80 and all those cool games run on the
>Atari" syndrome that plagued most of us 20 years ago.
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>A monopoly by definition means you have no choice. A cable TV provider
>is a monopoly. In the IT world you have a choice. You have IBM, Sun, HP,
>Apple. You have Windows, UNIX, 50 kinds of Linux, BSD, etc...
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>Just because you hate them, because they have most of the market share,
>because we the industry decided we wanted compatibility with what
>everyone else is running does not a monopoly make.
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>And in the sense of being "held hostage" by them... I'm not sure why you
>think that. Why would a company spend untold amounts of money to develop
>a product and then give away the details of how it was developed? They
>are a private company, and they have no reason to do that. If you think
>that makes them evil, fine. If they were a Belgian company, would you
>think the same way?
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>anyway, we can discuss this offline. Let's get back to computer
>companies that no longer exist...
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