[Coco] Re: [Color Computer] Is this a discussion about a new Coco?

Mon Apr 18 19:49:08 EDT 2005

At 05:45 PM 4/18/2005, you wrote:

James DifferentDander, (Too many James D's here)

The chip is Connect One's solution, go educate yourself and tell them that 
their chip price is too high and that you can do it cheaper. They will 
laugh as I am. Go for it big talker.

I'm not going to go in to all of what you said. You don't know the facts 
and are WAY out there.

$65 for the Ethernet and $110, for the SuperIDE comment? $65 is just for 
the CHIP that is not the total solution. Our SuperIDE is more than just an 
IDE device. I know you will say WOW, flash too! Again you have done nothing 
but talk. You forgot the software costs for the board. I'm sure you can do 
that REALLY well too. I'm sure my software person is WAY over paid for his 
work.

All of your prices checks....Show me a ONE of your CoCo projects, you 
can't. You are in big talker land. I use to do this, I use to that. You 
can't do diddly. You have just shown me you know a great more of nothing.

You use to own an Amiga company.....So big, more sales in a week. Good for 
you, go away troll. Why are you here anyway? You sir are a laugh.

My software person is paying his college tuition with what he is making off 
the CoCo. I'm sure you will belittle that as well.

The whole point... Small volume sales = higher prices. You were sleeping 
that day to in business class. Wake up. I'm sure your big company is still 
going....Nope context was use to......ah, I see it now.

Please do us all a favor and go away. Please take your comments to my 
private Email. I'm sure the rest of the list is as tired of you as I am. I 
will redirect you to >/nil.

We are still producing many products and still growing......That means 
sales are up for each of the last three years. If our pricing was so far 
off why would this be?

Regards,

Mark
Cloud-9

BTW: I apologize to the list in advance for this. This is my last post to 
this troll.

>--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, Mark Marlette <mark at c...> wrote:
> > At 10:36 AM 4/18/2005, you wrote:
> > that includes all of the options, including the Ethernet. The
>Ethernet chip
> > alone costs well over $65 and that doesn't include the support
>chips. Then
>
>
>Oh please... $65?  What chip are you using?  There are pleanty of
>controller chips for under $15 in single quantity... not my fault if
>you chose an expensive one.  Geeze... a Coldfire CPU with built in
>ethernet, USB and PCI is less than $40 in small quantity!  I could
>build a board based on a coldfire and a couple PCI chips, a PLD and
>emulate the $%#& thing cheaper and faster.
>
>If you integrate everything onto a larger PLD you can do everything
>that was posted with that list for under $100 cost.  Cost is what I
>was talking about.  The reduced cost of the board + chips will make up
>for the large PLD.  Most of the parts on that list for the Superboard
>are on the Open Cores site!
>
>Cloud-9 is charging over $100 for an IDE board! IDE!!!!  And we're not
>talking about UDMA here either.  All that requires is to adjust some
>buss logic and decode the address!  It requires around 4 TTL chips (if
>you don't overdesign the thing) for under $10 at Radio Shack!
>
>I did a price check on getting an IDE/USB board printed.  It was under
>$17 each in quantity 20 and that was the first quote with solder mask.
>If I were to order 100, drop solder mask and shop around it's
>probably under $10.  The chips + connectors are under $20 in quantity 1.
>
> > add in the cost of the PCB board, CPLDs which are in the $8-11 range
>each
> > which there are 4-6 of them on the board.  As you can see without
>evening
> > spending a whole a lot of time on it that the price goes up very
>fast. You
> > must have been a sleep that day in Business Economics. Prove me
>wrong and
> > send me the product. You can't.
>
>You must have been asleep in Business Economics.  There isn't enough
>of a CoCo market to waste building a business on.  It's not like they
>are making new CoCo's.  Your trying to turn a hobby into a business...
>which is ok but don't claim it's more than it is.
>
> > It is easier for you to sit back and do
> > nothing but critique other peoples work and say it is too expensive.
> >
> > I can tell by your previous posts that you have done VERY little with
> > developing products.
>
>I used to own a company that built hardware for the Amiga, some of
>which I designed, I know what I'm talking about.  We were selling more
>hardware in a week that Cloud-9 has sold since it was started.
>A.I.R. sold over $750,000 worth of product (1 product) in the first 6
>months and it took us over half of that time just to build up
>manufacturing ability and a dealer network.  At the time I sold out we
>were doing about $90,000 per month and had 4(?) products.
>
>BTW, we were paying under $2/board on a circuit board about half the
>size this IDE/USB board would be.
>
> > You want to use discrete components rather than
> > current technology. As that is you choice, I have DONE both and this
>is a
>
>You want to use PLDs so people can't copy your design.  I want to
>design something someone can download the design, print their own
>circuit board and use off the shelf parts on.  Totally different goal.
>If I wanted to make my life easier I'd use the PLD and forget having
>to worry about how to fit all the parts in such a small space.
>
>For something like the Superboard I'd use a larger PLD instead of
>multiple small PLDs since it will be smaller for about the same price.
>
> > I have fifty-seven down payments for the SuperBoard with many follow on
> > orders.
>
>WOW!  57!!!!  That's smaller than what A.I.R.'s first order was (200)
>and the next week it was twice that.  Within 2 months we had to hire
>people to assemble our stuff.
>
> > I'm not taking anymore down payments as the initial price to
> > produce has been met. Maybe you have more business sense than I do
>or just
> > have more money to throw around? Can you put out over $5700 to
>produce this
> > ONE board? Remember we produce more than this one board. I'll do the
>math
> > for you.... 57 * $100(your price) = $5700. I used $100, even though
>it is
> > more expensive than that. You would go broke because you will loose
>money
> > on every board sold. This is a hobby business for me, love and
>passion of
>
>I was talking cost.  Distributor markup should be at least 50%, dealer
>markup should be at least 75% and direct sales should be 100%.
>
> > the machine. I can't afford to make those types of errors and be around
> > here very long.
>
>And is this business you've been running as a hobby paying your bills?
>Do you have another job?
>
> > We have been around and will continue to be around because
> > of the thought and planning that goes in to each and every product
>we produce.
>
>Marketing BS.  If you had to live off of Cloud-9 you'd starve and if
>you died would the company be around to take care of your customers
>tomorrow?
>
> > With the given facts, you are WAY off base on your price and statement.
>
>According to you... a guy that will spend $65 on an ethernet
>controller and who sells an IDE board for $100.
>
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